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It is time to act, Christians.
What happened to the people of the United States during the last 40 years? The legalization of abortion, the gay rights movement, the tremendous increase of the divorce rate, euthanasia and stem-cell research happened.
Americans are demoralized.
Americans, it is time for you to wake up before the final judgment. Neither candidate is the best fit for this country. You have to make some personal sacrifices and make a better choice for the good of this country. Look at the core values of what these candidates support. Do not vote for the one that will further deteriorate this country. I do not care if the taxes will rise; I do not care if the cost of health insurance will increase.
But, please, do not lead the so-called beautiful country into the flames of hell.
Yifu Chen
University graduate student
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I am sorry you've fallen for
I am sorry you've fallen for the GOP's trick. They really don't care, they just know you'll vote for them if they have "christian values". Make the right choice and vote for the candidate who knows what he's doing.
I am not falling for any
I am not falling for any tricks here. History and records tell us all. I guess you would rather see someone crushes a born babies' head, yes?
Congrats, you're a nimrod
What's this? A religious nutjob in the midwest?
Not possible.
Please crawl back into your cave and leave serious people alone. We don't need utterly deplorable and downright ignorant views spilling out of public newspapers.
I see that you are telling me
I see that you are telling me that my views are ignorant. That's fine because that is what you believe in. But, what is your views? I would like to hear.
really yifu? c'mon. live your
really yifu? c'mon. live your own life-not that of your parents or the church.
Ben, I don't know you well,
Ben, I don't know you well, but,
judging from what you have done, you don't have any rights to tell me what to do or how I should live.
Seriously
I really can't comprehend what one earth would make you write this. You are ridiculous. Please do not spew your narrow minded opinion onto others. Just because you can't think for yourself and you have to believe what your church and religion tell you is ridiculous. Get your own opinions and grow up. Annnddd do not vote just because you can't deal with smaller issues such as abortion and gay marriage.
Those are not the biggest issues at hand right now. The economy is first priority this election. That is something you should be concerned with. Taxes and health care are also something you should be concerned with. Not moral issues. Those should be at the bottom of every voters check off list.
Chances are you will not be making over 250,000 in your lifetime, which means if McCain comes into office, your taxes will increase and you will be paying a lot more of your salary. People who make more than 250,000 a year do not pay neraly as much of their income as people who make less than that.
Get the facts right before you write this bull****.
This IS my opinion. I would
This IS my opinion. I would like you to think about what really happened to the economy before making any further judgement. Why and how did we really get into all this mess? Obviously, it didn't just go bad on its own in the last 8 years. It happened overtime. I am not here to support any of the candidates, but to give a point that moral is more important than money.
"final judgment"
... more like FINAL COUNTDOWN dadada duuuh dada da da daaa dadada duuuh...
Asia rocks so hard. Hard like Dokken.
Wrong continent there buddy,
Wrong continent there buddy, the Final Countdown is by Europe
You'd like to believe this is
You'd like to believe this is a black and white issue, but it's not.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/01/25/my_late_te...
Thank you for the article. I
Thank you for the article. I have heard or read several of those stories. I believe that we, as people, have no right to decide whether or not our babies should live or not even if the baby is defective or it might lead to the danger of of the pregnant woman.
As of history goes, abortion was illegal till 1973 in the United States. The quote from the doctor at the end of the article clearly shows that he doesn't know what he is saying, unless he is less than 35 years old.
Presumably the doctor
Presumably the doctor wouldn't have taken much note of this issue until he was at least a teenager, which would put the upper bound on his age to about 50.
We will have to agree to disagree on your beliefs regarding this matter. Personally, I find them reprehensible. You seem to value the lives of undeveloped babies - who still depend on their mothers for survival, and some of whom would have no chance even if carried to term - over those of women.
It's too bad that the world is not as simple as you seem to think it is. What do you think of the fact that more women will have "back-alley" abortions, thereby endangering their own lives as well as those of their unborn children, if abortions are outlawed?
I agree that there will be a
I agree that there will be a rise of "back-alley" abortions, but then that choice would be made from the mother who is or not willing to take that risk. Now, do you agree that couples should not have sex until they are married? There are reasons why the ten commandments are there for, because they are the basics everyone should follow. Otherwise, why do people get jailed for stealing things? Why do you even follow laws?
The point that I am trying to come across is the demoralization of human beings in general in the United States of America. I know that people in this country might not be "as bad" as a lot of nations out there, but it is getting worse every year.
The chain of events went from pornography in the 60's to abortion in the 70's to gay rights movement recently. The United States had aborted over 50 million babies in the last forty years. I hope you understand that this is a very sad thing. People who are unable to take care of their babies should then lead them into adoption.
I do not agree that couples
I do not agree that couples should not have sex until they are married, because I am not a Christian and I do not treat the Ten Commandments as an axiom. I follow laws because I do believe in one piece of Christian morality: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." But of course this is hardly exclusive to Christianity. I follow laws because I have to live in a society and doing things that are fair and kind to other people ultimately benefits me more than breaking laws ever would. Following laws just because they are laws, or because you are told to, is a terrible reason. If a Christian follows laws just because God told him or her to, what's to keep that person from breaking those laws if they ever lose their faith?
It's telling that you think the gay rights movement is immoral. It tells me that you value religious dogma over the happiness of your fellow human beings.
It is a very sad thing that over 50 million babies have been aborted. It would be even sadder if those abortions had all been performed by desperate women themselves because they couldn't get access to one in a clinic.
Perhaps people pushing to make abortion illegal should instead push for adoption as more of a viable option. The data seems to show that it's currently not one. A 1988 study says that there are an estimated 3.3 adoption seekers for every actual adoption. Children already don't get adopted at the rate at which they're put up for adoption. What would happen if abortion were made illegal? Do you think the adoption rate would magically rise to cover the influx of unwanted children? And this is in addition to the rise in numbers of back-alley abortions from women who saw no other option.
By the way, you say "it's getting worse every year," but the abortion rate has actually been declining since 1981.
I am with Yifu on this one.
I am with Yifu on this one.
Really?
You know that they can get stem cells without killing babies, right? And I'm pretty sure euthanasia isn't legal here so I don't think you can make the claim that it has led to the demoralization of America.
Also, what do you have to say about the Catholic church and homosexuality? The Catholic church has the most hypocritical view of homosexuality, claiming to be against it, but turning the other cheek (pardon the pun) when it comes to homosexual acts done by priests. Sounds pretty demoralized, doesn't it?
Oh and from your own words, "judging from what you have done, you don't have any rights to tell me what to do or how I should live"....I and everyone that disagrees with you can tell you the same thing. We might use correct English, however, and say that you don't have any right to tell us what to do or how we should live.
Get your facts straight. First, Americans adopt plenty of babies, but we couldn't keep up with the numbers if abortion weren't legal here. We are too busy taking all the Chinese baby girls that no one wants there. Ever think of criticizing home before coming here and telling me how screwed up America is? Second, before Bush screwed everything up, we had 8 years of economic growth in America so our economic problems have really developed over the last 8 years. No, obviously they didn't go bad on their own. They had plenty of help from an idiot of a President who cut taxes at the wrong time and got us into a couple wars. That seems like enough to cause some drastic economic problems to me.
I believe that stem cell
I believe that stem cell research and abortion is two completely different issues, so is euthanasia and abortion. I said, "judging from what you have done, you don't have any rights to tell me what to do or how I should live", because I know Ben Enge, and I know what he has done during his job which wasn’t pretty. We are adopting children across the world, because the country pushes for “diversity”, which is really sad in a way if you look at it. How the country invest more money into foreign countries than its own country!? The economy break down is a build up since 1980’s where banks lend people money to buy houses when they know that these people are unable to pay the mortgages in the future. In another words, they make these “pretty contracts” for family to sign which might seen like they are able to afford these homes, but they really can’t down the road in the long run. These mortgages then are considered as “good assets”. The break down is caused by these banks who think that they have all these “good assets”, but in reality, they have almost to none because they are not getting any money in from the families that borrowed the money. The situation applies to credit card companies as well.
Apparently you are not
Apparently you are not willing to hear other opinions at all. You read news statements about economy and you believe in them. Economists are still studying on the issue of Great Depression, do you really think you understand why everything is happening now? 99% of news statements are false based on Econometrics Statistical Analysis. You blame the society and people for that, then you probably should step out of your ivory tower and face the real world. Things are just not so simple, boy.
And you sounds pretty bitter about adoption. I'm from China too and I volunteered in orphanage in countryside before. I felt bad for little girls since they did not have future there. You, from Shanghai, the most developed city in China, and probably from family with strong economic background since you could come to America, do not a complete understanding of adoption. You said, "How the country invest more money into foreign countries than its own country!?". I am a Christian so I know what God tells us, to understand, to help each other, to always have a mercy and optimistic heart towards the world. We believe in God because "we do", not because we want others to.
An open heart can lead you to more wonderful side of the world, a narrow and closed heart would not give you happiness, not even the connection with God. 忠言逆耳. Before you argue with any opposite views, think twice and try to understand. Don't be so critical and bitter about things. World won't change much for you, the only way to find your peace is to understand.
I was from a 100 year old catholic high school, with 90% of the students being catholic. But my teacher always told us to pray for the good not to complain about the bad. Yifu, being 咄咄逼人 will only worse the debate and make more people stand on your opposite side. If your intention is to make people pay attention to these issues that you are concerning, state out the facts but do not expect everyone to understand you. The nice thing about religions is faith, the faith in our heart that lead us to believe, to face, and to find the inner peace. To me, it's a private thing. Anything "too much" will only cause the unpleasant opposite effect.
I'm writing these cause I know you, and I always thought you are a mature person. However, to tell the truth, this post shows me the arrogant, self-esteeming, self-centered side. If you are really caring about these social problems, then make this reply section a good source of thoughts, not a forceful "You all should believe in me, My opinion is the only right one" debate. A single person's thought will never be subjective and Society is "sui generis" that no individual can explain it without a complex analysis on the level of society itself. You might think you are reasonable and you see the world clearly, but maybe you are just 井底之蛙 (no offense, just think about it). We all use God as our guideline, but put yourself in other people's shoes, religion might be our 井, restricting our understanding of others.
Just a few words. This country might not be so bad as you think, the economic situation now might just be a necessary business cycle fluctuation for further growth. No pain no gain. And I believe material is as important as moral, as the calling of Christianity motivates us for greater self achievement.
Calm down and think about your opinion again. How many of your early thoughts seem totally childish to yourself now? This one might be the same.
Thanks for writing Chen, but
Thanks for writing Chen, but please use your full name so that others do not get confused between you and me. Thank you. I know that you left a long message, and hopefully, I will answer all your questions.
I have my own opinions about the economy. I do NOT just turn on the radio and say that everything that I hear is true. So far, I had not made any comments on the Great Depression, it is because I do not know much about it. Oh, by the way, I did NOT blame the general population for the current global economy crisis. Please read carefully. It is the Greed by particular individuals, especially those who are CEOs as well as particular congress members and senators. Since you are judging my understandings, can you tell me what your understanding is?
Yes, God tells us to help each other. I totally agree! But look at the United States right now. I want to make this point clear:
I considered myself as a hardworking middle income United States of America Citizen.
I am a school teacher, and I make well less than 35k a year.
I hope you know how much money the United States of America owes the Republic of China at this point. I am not here to judge the people of the Republic of China. I don’t believe that I have the power to judge anyone. I am just writing to give suggestions/opinions. If you know me in person, you should know that, I, in no means, have any financial background. You are talking to a formal student who took 20 credits a semester, and worked over 40 hours a week to stay alive. Thank you. I hope you understand what it takes to become a true Christian. It is not only to help others, but to understand and obey the basic foundation of Christianity.
If you would like to read my full version of this post, please go to facebook. This version has been edited by the editor of this column. I gave enough details to talk about, but not enough to bring this into its full potential.
I hope you understand that I am not here to judge, or to fight. It has been rather difficult to reply these posts because people seemed to be furies, but I am not. I am just here to write what I think. If you do not agree, it is totally OK. But neither you, nor I have the power to judge anyone else.
I would like you read what you write, before posting your post. If you know me in person, you might as well just sit down with me, and I would love to have a conversation. Thank you.
I have said what I want to
I have said what I want to say to you. So a conversation will neither be pleasant nor necessary based on your reply. We have totally different opinions on these issues, and on what takes to be a "true" Christian.
And about my understanding of the economy, it's not just "the Greed by particular individuals". As I said, society is "sui generis", we have to understand social phenomenon on the society level, society shapes individuals. I am not judging your understanding, but just disagree with your definition of the current economic situation.
I read my posts before I posted it, so do not make assumptions on me.
I did not have questions for you on my last reply. Just a few words for you to think, as the your way of replying make readers like me feel uncomfortable.
We were both hard-working student, but I believe what I put in gives me what I am having now. I was never bitter about my working studying busy life, and I enjoyed my learning through it.
Since话不投机，I'll just end here.
Best,
Chen.
(and I am Chen, and I don't care if people get confused between you and me. I put my surname here because it is a common surname in my motherland so it represents my root.)
Hi Chen, I like how you ended
Hi Chen,
I like how you ended this conversation without telling me your view on what it means to be a Christian. I am also interested in reading what you think the problem of this global economy crisis is.
Judging from the responses that I have been getting so far, if you were me, would you be pleased with all the judgmental messages and the name calling?
Thank you.
You are saying that you are
You are saying that you are not being judgemental, but...
You called me "immature" and childish for my opinions on one particular topic.
god doesn't exist
yifu is a fool for believing in god anyways. the ten commandments arent our reason for being moral. morality predates christianity, or any religion.
I believe that it makes a
I believe that it makes a fool to call another a fool.
I hope you read what you write next time before hitting that "save" button. Especially think about what the topic is around here. (hint: the title)
you believe in a lot of
you believe in a lot of stupid things. like god.
Bigger Picture
Although Yifu is correct to steer the conversation away from the sort of territory I'm about to direct it, it does bare mentioned: There probably isn't a god.
Because so many are diluted enough to subscribe to the notion that there's a floating deity somewhere beyond the moon that you can chat with and is constantly observing everyone - we have wars, political riffs and general hatred.
When America decides to grow up and come to the realizations that -
A. Nothing happens after you die; you rot.
And
B. That's O.K.
Then perhaps we can effectively deal with the very real problems we face while we do have pulses.
Or, we can pray to wooden crosses and pretend to be drinking the blood of a 2000 year old Jew that possibly never existed and certainly was not sent from the heavens to save mankind.
Jesus (lol), when are people going to step back, look at the absurdity and get some fucking brain cells?
In the meantime, let's all just ignore the crazies like Yifu.
Deal?
Sorry, you are not playing
Sorry, you are not playing the game deal or no deal here. =)
If you are calling me crazy, then you are calling all those who consider themselves as Catholics as crazies. Oh boy, according to this chart, all these people are crazy? http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/country/sc1.html
You can try to get your points across instead of calling people "names".
Your two choices here are really one choice.
It really should be:
A: You die and rot, and you are O.K. with that. Then you'd probably go to hell.
or
B: You believe in God, and let him forgive all the sins that you have committed during your life time, and hopefully go to heaven.
Otherwise, there are no moral justice in this world. People do whatever they want, because there are no consequences.
What you so called "real issues" are created by those people who do NOT have moral justices. Greed, played a huge role in this economy crisis.
Correction -
And by "mentioned" I mean "mentioning".
May the floating, Holy Christian God please help my grammar!
I want to clarify the message
I want to clarify the message that I am trying to make in this post, since it is going very off topic:
To all of you who are calling yourself as "Christians", can you really vote for a president who are against the basic foundation of Christian values? Especially: Abortion and Euthanasia.
Thank you.
Hey Yifu, I'm Christian and I
Hey Yifu,
I'm Christian and I voted for Obama. I voted for him because I see that he is a man of discernment. He believes in God and thus seeks help from someone other than the faulty efforts of mankind. All those experts and PhD economist- come on...do they really know what they're doing? Obama is open to other views, and he is not so closeminded as to reject anything that may in any way be against his scruples.
Obama understands that abortion is a very difficult and emotionally hard and stressful issue for many women. He understands that strenghtening the family is the root solution to many moral problems. And he understands that the government's position to dictate a person's life is quite wrong. Even GOD doesn't dictate our lives. God lovingly directs us to the path of truth and wisdom, and I think that God will want us to encourage women to choose life. God doesn't force people to do anything. I think Obama's openness to consider ALL views and to openly and honestly and genuinely seek solutions for many problems will lead us to a better future
yay i'm glad obama was elected!!
And here we go again...
Quite possibly my favorite thing about "political discussion" today: the inevitable descent into name calling and ad hominem arguments. It's probably a waste of my time to appeal to all of you to stick to actual issues, but please?
Yifu, I should also mention that I take exception to your tying all Catholics to your particular viewpoint. There's a reason both campaigns have been actively pursuing Catholic voters, namely that they don't vote as a single, mindless bloc. If, as you seem to imply, all Catholics should vote based on strict doctrinal adherence, who then should they vote for? McCain for his opposition to abortion? But what about his support for the death penalty? Obama for his opposition to the war in Iraq? But what about his support for gay marriage? And this is assuming all Catholics are strictly adherent to doctrine, when in fact there are clearly a wide range of opinions on these points among Catholics. So the whole issue is far from being as cut and dried as you try to portray it.
Thank you for the comment.
Thank you for the comment. Like I already said, I neither support McCain, nor Obama.
But, I have to make a choice between the two. That is why I brought up the point of morality in the United States.
Catholics in this countries can only vote for which that is less evil than the other.
Fair enough. I respect your
Fair enough. I respect your right to hold your own opinions and make your own decisions. But don't tell me that you "neither support McCain, nor Obama" You make it implicitly clear who you prefer, even if it isn't wholehearted support on every issue. Which, as I said, is perfectly fine. But don't accuse someone who chooses the other candidate of being immoral. My point was that from a purely moral viewpoint, even from a singularly Catholic one, there is still no single correct answer.
There are two different
There are two different issues going on here.
1. Basic morality as Christians
2. The Election
I totally agree about the second issue. There is no win-win situation here.
Which then lead to the question of why. You'd think that there is a candidate that supports your point of view in a democracy country.
We then, need to look at the overall picture, and decide which one is less evil than the other. I am not here in no means, to tell you who I want you to vote for. I am just here to give my point of view.
Thank you again for your understanding.
Hey guys let's end here. It's
Hey guys let's end here.
It's a waste of time.
He's not even listening.
If you think that you should
If you think that you should not listen to what I have to say.
Then in contrast, would I really have to listen to what you have to say?
^^
I am here to make an opinion. It is your choice to give your opinion.
Writing a comment like this is a total waste of time.
I'm sorry Yifu, you're not
I'm sorry Yifu, you're not bringing anything new to the table here and in fact seem to be contradicting yourself. Look at your last post. Your first point is that there are two separate issues here: morality and the presidential election. But your point all along has been that the one influences (or should influence) the other. So which is it? Separate or related?
Thanks for the comment. Your
Thanks for the comment. Your question should be answered in future posts.
The concept lies within the choice that we have to make between these issues.
The sort of question that we ask to ourselves as Catholics are, "which one is less evil?" Since we don't fully support either of the candidates.
Please stop
Yifu, please stop. You are embarassing the entire campus and you would be embarassing yourself if you had any sense of decency.
ugh
sorry, that's poorly worded, but you get my drift
End of "discussion"
Look at the last three responses you made to me. They are all identical. I'm sorry, but at this point I agree with the above, that it is no longer worth anyone's time to try to hold a reasonable discussion with you. I still value your right to your own opinion, but can't hold a discussion with someone who isn't listening to what others are saying and the questions they are asking.
It is really sad that you
It is really sad that you can't think for yourself Yifu. Your parents should have taught you how to think, instead of telling you what to think. Sad. Also, stop worrying about America until you have stopped the infanticide that is so common in China. And since you are so pro-adoption.... how many kids have you adopted? I am assuming you are old enough. Also going to assume that the answer to that is a big goose egg.
two issues here: 1. so are
two issues here:
1. so are you saying that anyone who believes in certain values and morals which are derived from a religion are mindless followers of some kind of herd? it seems like you are saying this. so let me correct what I believe is a false understanding on your part. Just because someone believes in certain values doesn't mean they can't critically evaluate other values and choose for themselves which values agree with their conscience. Would you agree with the statement that atheists adults who grew up under the care of atheist parents just mindlessly adopted the views of their parents without thinking for themselves?
2. Just because someone supports adoption as an alternative to abortion doesn't mean the person actually has to adopt someone to show their ardent support. goodness...so by your line of logic, someone who ardently supports euthanasia should show their support by actually getting euthanasized? come on....just think about your arguments and how they don't really make sense.
Interesting
Your articles have a religious context applied to it. If we were to look at, say, the Bible as a tool for religious morals that we can all live by (and its teachings are indeed agreeable) then we must assume that those that follow the Bibles' code are good people. Not true. Priests continue to molest others under 18, Salem witch trials persecuted innocent women, wars were started on the basis that God commanded them to fight for Him (The Crusade pitted Roman Catholics against Muslims). My point is that the Bible is inevitably left up to any sort of interpretating. And somewhere along that line, there is misinterpretation and extreme amounts of hypocrisy. But if we say that there are some good things in the Bible and some bad things in it as well, then the Bible is not 100% good. Admit that there are follies in the bible just as there are follies in people. Lets work this out, homey.
thanks
I am sorry you've fallen for the GOP's trick.
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My My....
I'm not so sure if it is the absurdity of your article that makes me laugh or the fact that you seem obsessive by replying to each comment with random stuff. Either way you do not sound normal. Have you ever considered getting your head checked. I mean seriously, you are not O.K.
However I am happy that you have the passion of a new convert
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